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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://matthew-oldfield-photography.com/thoughts/goodbye-underwater-photography/#comment-1828</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Mar 2011 02:00:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Tony - Good to hear from you!  And thanks for the comment, much appreciated.  It&#039;s been a while since I decided to get out of u/w shooting and whilst I miss diving a great deal, I couldn&#039;t be happier.  The work I have been involved in over the last year or so has been very satisfying and from the perspective of photographic experience, extremely useful.  I&#039;ve been learning huge amounts - something new every day.  My plan is to start an MA in Photojournalism and Documentary Photography in Jan 2012, focusing on environmental issues and development.  And hopefully, with a slant towards the marine once again - it&#039;s where my heart is…

I have always admired your work as a photographer - and as you say, that comes down to your ability to communicate in an effective and clear manner.  I&#039;m not there yet, but feel like I am moving in the right direction finally - it&#039;s taken a while!

Will certainly meet again.  I&#039;m searching for an apartment in Bali at the moment, going to use it as a base for work around SE Asia.  I&#039;m hoping to get a 3-4 bedroom place with enough room for friends to stay or use as a base when I am away - and you&#039;re always welcome!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tony &#8211; Good to hear from you!  And thanks for the comment, much appreciated.  It&#8217;s been a while since I decided to get out of u/w shooting and whilst I miss diving a great deal, I couldn&#8217;t be happier.  The work I have been involved in over the last year or so has been very satisfying and from the perspective of photographic experience, extremely useful.  I&#8217;ve been learning huge amounts &#8211; something new every day.  My plan is to start an MA in Photojournalism and Documentary Photography in Jan 2012, focusing on environmental issues and development.  And hopefully, with a slant towards the marine once again &#8211; it&#8217;s where my heart is…</p>
<p>I have always admired your work as a photographer &#8211; and as you say, that comes down to your ability to communicate in an effective and clear manner.  I&#8217;m not there yet, but feel like I am moving in the right direction finally &#8211; it&#8217;s taken a while!</p>
<p>Will certainly meet again.  I&#8217;m searching for an apartment in Bali at the moment, going to use it as a base for work around SE Asia.  I&#8217;m hoping to get a 3-4 bedroom place with enough room for friends to stay or use as a base when I am away &#8211; and you&#8217;re always welcome!</p>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
		<link>http://matthew-oldfield-photography.com/thoughts/goodbye-underwater-photography/#comment-1768</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Mar 2011 01:13:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Matt,

I only just came across this post. Better late than never.

I completely agree with your logic. If anything, the ability to post images online has hastened the trend toward emphasizing the mediocre and humdrum. This is certainly not unique to u/w photography, but rapid dissemination of photos has reinforced propagation of memes-of-the-moment, often at the expense of thought and quality. 

The sudden flurry of really bad images taken with snoots in recent months, for instance, has been annoying at best. It&#039;s amusing that so many people seem to believe that snoots are a technical innovation, but that in itself wouldn&#039;t be so bad if there weren&#039;t so many awful photographs being touted as good ones (with the attendant flurry of copycat snapshots) simply because someone used a snoot.

The telling of a story and communication of a clear and meaningful message with images, text and video is the reason I keep plugging away. As you insightfully point out, however, the number of outlets for such thought- and effort-intensive output is decreasing day by day...not just in the case of u/w photography of course.

Anyway, I&#039;ve been keeping up with your travels as best as I can, and I admire what you&#039;re doing. Keep up the great work, and I hope we&#039;ll have a chance to cross paths again soon.

T</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Matt,</p>
<p>I only just came across this post. Better late than never.</p>
<p>I completely agree with your logic. If anything, the ability to post images online has hastened the trend toward emphasizing the mediocre and humdrum. This is certainly not unique to u/w photography, but rapid dissemination of photos has reinforced propagation of memes-of-the-moment, often at the expense of thought and quality. </p>
<p>The sudden flurry of really bad images taken with snoots in recent months, for instance, has been annoying at best. It&#8217;s amusing that so many people seem to believe that snoots are a technical innovation, but that in itself wouldn&#8217;t be so bad if there weren&#8217;t so many awful photographs being touted as good ones (with the attendant flurry of copycat snapshots) simply because someone used a snoot.</p>
<p>The telling of a story and communication of a clear and meaningful message with images, text and video is the reason I keep plugging away. As you insightfully point out, however, the number of outlets for such thought- and effort-intensive output is decreasing day by day&#8230;not just in the case of u/w photography of course.</p>
<p>Anyway, I&#8217;ve been keeping up with your travels as best as I can, and I admire what you&#8217;re doing. Keep up the great work, and I hope we&#8217;ll have a chance to cross paths again soon.</p>
<p>T</p>
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		<title>By: Julie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 16:51:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, when I think of u/w photography this is what comes to mind. Please check out the full gallery as it is very inspirational (a girl I went to elementary school w/ is an underwater model and the photographer&#039;s work/creativity blows my mind). Very well done. 

http://chriscrumley.com/Portfolio_WetUnderwater/0</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, when I think of u/w photography this is what comes to mind. Please check out the full gallery as it is very inspirational (a girl I went to elementary school w/ is an underwater model and the photographer&#8217;s work/creativity blows my mind). Very well done. </p>
<p><a href="http://chriscrumley.com/Portfolio_WetUnderwater/0" rel="nofollow">http://chriscrumley.com/Portfolio_WetUnderwater/0</a></p>
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		<title>By: leilani</title>
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		<dc:creator>leilani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 16:35:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt.. The pictures you have taken have given me a look at what is under the ocean that I love so much. I cannot dive because of an ear problem so in my view if there are 1 miilion people taking pictures of the beautiful underwater world, it is NOT enough. Your seahorse pictures? Priceless. I do understand what you are saying I just wanted to thank you for the awe you brought to my eyes. Someday if we continue as we have these wonderful animals may no longer live on this planet. EVERY photo is a priceless piece of what may be in the future history. Good luck and again Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt.. The pictures you have taken have given me a look at what is under the ocean that I love so much. I cannot dive because of an ear problem so in my view if there are 1 miilion people taking pictures of the beautiful underwater world, it is NOT enough. Your seahorse pictures? Priceless. I do understand what you are saying I just wanted to thank you for the awe you brought to my eyes. Someday if we continue as we have these wonderful animals may no longer live on this planet. EVERY photo is a priceless piece of what may be in the future history. Good luck and again Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://matthew-oldfield-photography.com/thoughts/goodbye-underwater-photography/#comment-271</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 10:47:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comments guys.  I hope I will be able to carry on shooting underwater, but it is stories I want to be shooting and that is going to be difficult.  We shall see…

Jon - I think photogs are going to have to reinvent themselves over the next few years.  I have been looking at going back to shooting video, as well as recording audio/interviews, and producing multi-media pieces to sell, rather than individual images.  Something I need to work on I think...

Mark - Not going to sell the gear just yet!  Hopefully will be back out there sooner rather than later.

Daniel - That is exactly what I need to be doing - I think walking away for awhile makes a great deal of sense.  Half the problem is that I have no experience other than shooting underwater, so feel I have a very long way to go.  But I am going to throw myself in and start working on some ideas, hopefully in the not-too-distant-future.

waitinginthedark - thanks for the link, it can be a very real problem.  I used to work as a dive master in Sabah and used to get very angry with idiot divers acting as models and grabbing turtles, or photogs lying across delicate corals - very frustrating.  But I don&#039;t think certification will do much - who will enforce it?

Chris - bizarre camera!  And it will of course mean divers have 2 hands to grab corals etc etc, not good…

A link for you all - par of Michael Muller&#039;s portfolio http://www.krop.com/muller/portfolio/13565/.  In my opinion, more images like these should grace the pages of u/w photography and diving magazines.  Fine, they are from a very dramatic location, but the photographer has managed to put HIS stamp all over the images, interpreting the expedition in his own particular way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comments guys.  I hope I will be able to carry on shooting underwater, but it is stories I want to be shooting and that is going to be difficult.  We shall see…</p>
<p>Jon &#8211; I think photogs are going to have to reinvent themselves over the next few years.  I have been looking at going back to shooting video, as well as recording audio/interviews, and producing multi-media pieces to sell, rather than individual images.  Something I need to work on I think&#8230;</p>
<p>Mark &#8211; Not going to sell the gear just yet!  Hopefully will be back out there sooner rather than later.</p>
<p>Daniel &#8211; That is exactly what I need to be doing &#8211; I think walking away for awhile makes a great deal of sense.  Half the problem is that I have no experience other than shooting underwater, so feel I have a very long way to go.  But I am going to throw myself in and start working on some ideas, hopefully in the not-too-distant-future.</p>
<p>waitinginthedark &#8211; thanks for the link, it can be a very real problem.  I used to work as a dive master in Sabah and used to get very angry with idiot divers acting as models and grabbing turtles, or photogs lying across delicate corals &#8211; very frustrating.  But I don&#8217;t think certification will do much &#8211; who will enforce it?</p>
<p>Chris &#8211; bizarre camera!  And it will of course mean divers have 2 hands to grab corals etc etc, not good…</p>
<p>A link for you all &#8211; par of Michael Muller&#8217;s portfolio <a href="http://www.krop.com/muller/portfolio/13565/" rel="nofollow">http://www.krop.com/muller/portfolio/13565/</a>.  In my opinion, more images like these should grace the pages of u/w photography and diving magazines.  Fine, they are from a very dramatic location, but the photographer has managed to put HIS stamp all over the images, interpreting the expedition in his own particular way.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris East</title>
		<link>http://matthew-oldfield-photography.com/thoughts/goodbye-underwater-photography/#comment-270</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris East</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 15:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a very well written and constructed piece... it is truly sad that the main players in the media world are effectively causing the demise of the truest and artiest of photographers who they should be protecting and promoting.

I find half the problem now is that a non-diving editor is thrilled by these simplest of generic pictures that you mentioned in the first paragraph... and they&#039;re happy and thrilled to use them in their publication... 

Anyway - now it&#039;s only going to get worse: http://pointofviewcameras.com/all-cameras/by-brand/liquid-image/liquid-image-video-scuba-mask-hd320.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a very well written and constructed piece&#8230; it is truly sad that the main players in the media world are effectively causing the demise of the truest and artiest of photographers who they should be protecting and promoting.</p>
<p>I find half the problem now is that a non-diving editor is thrilled by these simplest of generic pictures that you mentioned in the first paragraph&#8230; and they&#8217;re happy and thrilled to use them in their publication&#8230; </p>
<p>Anyway &#8211; now it&#8217;s only going to get worse: <a href="http://pointofviewcameras.com/all-cameras/by-brand/liquid-image/liquid-image-video-scuba-mask-hd320.html" rel="nofollow">http://pointofviewcameras.com/all-cameras/by-brand/liquid-image/liquid-image-video-scuba-mask-hd320.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: waitinginthedark</title>
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		<dc:creator>waitinginthedark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 08:08:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Matt,

I was impressed by reading your post. I felt the bitterness of becoming aware that your passion is something that will never totally become true. Too many obstacles...

I love diving, and I enjoy looking at u/w photos. I&#039;m underlining &quot;looking&quot; because I believe that I am one of the few divers left that has deliberately chosen NOT to practice u/w photography. I just want to fully enjoy my dive. When other divers ask me why I do not happen to have an u/w camera, I simply answer: &quot;what&#039;s the point of taking normal pictures, when I can find hundreds beautiful on the internet&quot;?

The truth is... at the end of the day those people are neither divers nor photographers. I&#039;ve thought about that, clearly from a diver&#039;s perspective. You might be maybe interested in a post I wrote some time ago, regarding the incredible negative impact of more or less improvised u/w photographers on the environment (http://exxxplorer.wordpress.com/2009/07/26/lets-stop-the-reef-ravages-caused-by-underwater-photographers/). In my view, that the worst thing. How many damages... for what?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Matt,</p>
<p>I was impressed by reading your post. I felt the bitterness of becoming aware that your passion is something that will never totally become true. Too many obstacles&#8230;</p>
<p>I love diving, and I enjoy looking at u/w photos. I&#8217;m underlining &#8220;looking&#8221; because I believe that I am one of the few divers left that has deliberately chosen NOT to practice u/w photography. I just want to fully enjoy my dive. When other divers ask me why I do not happen to have an u/w camera, I simply answer: &#8220;what&#8217;s the point of taking normal pictures, when I can find hundreds beautiful on the internet&#8221;?</p>
<p>The truth is&#8230; at the end of the day those people are neither divers nor photographers. I&#8217;ve thought about that, clearly from a diver&#8217;s perspective. You might be maybe interested in a post I wrote some time ago, regarding the incredible negative impact of more or less improvised u/w photographers on the environment (<a href="http://exxxplorer.wordpress.com/2009/07/26/lets-stop-the-reef-ravages-caused-by-underwater-photographers/" rel="nofollow">http://exxxplorer.wordpress.com/2009/07/26/lets-stop-the-reef-ravages-caused-by-underwater-photographers/</a>). In my view, that the worst thing. How many damages&#8230; for what?</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Stainer</title>
		<link>http://matthew-oldfield-photography.com/thoughts/goodbye-underwater-photography/#comment-267</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Stainer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 20:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What you are saying is not only true for u/w photography, but the industry as a whole across all genres.  I think you should take your own advice with a twist.  Untether yourself from caring about what others think and from conforming to some preset expectation or industry standard.  Find yourself and what it is that attracted you to photography in the first place—which was probably the experience and to be a master storyteller.  Don’t take anything for granted. Be in it for nobody else but yourself….and if you’re going to tell a story, tell your own story and on your own terms.   

I always remember Galen Rowell’s quote about letting your experience validate your images rather than vice versa.  While I have not personally had the opportunity to conduct u/w photography but have always wanted to, I can only imagine the sheer joy I would experience seeing all those wondrous creatures in the amazing underwater world.  Maybe one of these days, you’ll have a desire to return back to u/w photographer with a refreshed perspective and the eyes of a child, and find the joy you first experienced when you first started out.  But sometimes you have to walk away first. 

~Daniel Stainer</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What you are saying is not only true for u/w photography, but the industry as a whole across all genres.  I think you should take your own advice with a twist.  Untether yourself from caring about what others think and from conforming to some preset expectation or industry standard.  Find yourself and what it is that attracted you to photography in the first place—which was probably the experience and to be a master storyteller.  Don’t take anything for granted. Be in it for nobody else but yourself….and if you’re going to tell a story, tell your own story and on your own terms.   </p>
<p>I always remember Galen Rowell’s quote about letting your experience validate your images rather than vice versa.  While I have not personally had the opportunity to conduct u/w photography but have always wanted to, I can only imagine the sheer joy I would experience seeing all those wondrous creatures in the amazing underwater world.  Maybe one of these days, you’ll have a desire to return back to u/w photographer with a refreshed perspective and the eyes of a child, and find the joy you first experienced when you first started out.  But sometimes you have to walk away first. </p>
<p>~Daniel Stainer</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Cornforth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Cornforth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 14:09:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately everything you have said is true. Selling pictures is probably not the end-game &amp; a viable business in the years ahead. Taking 12 people to a place that they could have gone on their own will not push the art of exploratory photojournalism. Best of luck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately everything you have said is true. Selling pictures is probably not the end-game &amp; a viable business in the years ahead. Taking 12 people to a place that they could have gone on their own will not push the art of exploratory photojournalism. Best of luck.</p>
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